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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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show number 402 episode 402 part 402

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well there's 402 of the skeptic zone

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including this one I think you get the

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idea for the third of July 2016 Richard

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Saunders here with you froms in the

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Australia the country with no leadership

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hmm as Australians know we had a general

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election yesterday and what a great day

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it was because general elections in

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Australia are a lot of fun especially

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when you turn up at the polling booth

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and there's a sausage sizzle yes a great

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australian tradition on Election Day

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state or federal when you turn up at the

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polling booth there usually is a sausage

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sizzle and I had a pretty damn good

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sausage with some mustard and some mar

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chile sauce for three dollars fifty i

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think they should have more elections in

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australia just to get the sausage sizzle

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but the result of the election nobody

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knows it's up in the air we don't know

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who's going to be the next prime

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minister or who will be which party will

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be the next government it's a bit

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confusing I think we'll find out in a

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couple of days but no um as the time of

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this recording we just don't know but

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let's take a look at what's coming up on

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this week's show we're going to kick off

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with our new reporter dr. Cassandra

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Perryman you're the little pcs done

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about well what she calls mind woo woo

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homeopathy which will be getting to

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later on in the show or things like nazy

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short report to kick off the skeptic

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zone with a dr. Cassandra Berryman who's

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think at the moment and we look forward

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to more reports from her coming up then

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after that a blast from the past there

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long ago past the early part of last

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century Sherlock Holmes the 1930s 1940s

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Holmes series of movies I'm going to

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play a clip from one that demonstrates

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quite clearly quite clearly Sherlock

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Holmes was a very good skeptic oh yes

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despite coming up against various

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somewhere supernatural bits and pieces

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it turns out well at least in the movies

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anyway Sherlock Holmes was a skeptic and

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I'll play the clip to prove it I think

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you'll get a kick out of that a kick out

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of this segment then following that it's

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a piece by Tim mendham from the

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Australian skeptics right out by me

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about our concerns around a chiropractor

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referring patients to a fake

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gynecologist hmm and don't forget you

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can get a wealth of information reports

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at skeptics comdata you the website of

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Australian skeptics including including

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free to download all the back issues of

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the journal the skeptic and I have the

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latest copy right here in my hands it's

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pretty good the skeptic volume 36 number

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two from June 2016 science booze and

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goons it says hmm the main feature is

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about protecting consumer rights great

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magazine one of the older skeptical

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journals in the world and you can read

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all the back issues download and read

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all the back issues for free at skeptics

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com au and I encourage

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to subscribe in fact if you subscribe

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you can choose whether to get the

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physical copy which I have right here or

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indeed you can get the electronic coffee

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or both but check it out at skeptics

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calm today you then to wrap up the show

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a concerning story about homeopathy and

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pets homeopathy can kill pets and should

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be banned says vets a story read out to

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us by our dear friend Lauren Cochrane

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and they'll be followed up by another

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report from medical daily com referring

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to a another video about homeopathy

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which I will link to in this week's show

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notes but before we get stuck into the

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show check out Maynard Comte you for the

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latest bunga bunga podcast we have Tim

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fan science fiction fan festival here in

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Sydney it's a it's a huge effort by

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Maynard to put all these interviews

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accompanies this week's bunga bunga so

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video and what a lot of fun we had I

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also looking forward very much in August

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in August we're going to be performing

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the mystery investigators show we do

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every year for schools and this time

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science week so we're getting ready for

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that we have a bed of nails we do

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from last year mate or what happens is I

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cupboard they're getting quite big the

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corn soup mmm some crusty toast while

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the Cass files with dr. Cassandra

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to discuss the mind part of the

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mind-body wallet a skeptics were trained

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to look at the medical whoo the

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conspiracy theory whoo and once for some

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of us even a flat earth whoo but what

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about psychological blue poor treatment

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psychological woo is readily and easily

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mind at all is mindfulness now

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the harm then well improper treatment is

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dangerous and unethical mindfulness

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vetri homeopathy what you sugarpill this

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Rathbone really is Sherlock Holmes if

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you haven't seen his movies he is

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Sherlock Holmes movies they're all on

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YouTube whether they're out of copyright

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or not in fact some of them were in the

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public domain I've discovered which is

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interesting a quick look on youtube

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basil Rathbones Sherlock Holmes or sean

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combs 1939 movies you'll find them and

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if you haven't seen them or if you know

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people the younger generation you

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haven't seen them grab some popcorn set

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up your TV and watch one one of my

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favorites is called terror by night I'm

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in there a bit corny yes they're only an

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hour roughly an hour long these movies

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there are I think 14 in the series which

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is great fun and a lot of them are

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actually set during World War Two with

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Sherlock Holmes battling Nazi

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infiltrators and secret weapons and all

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this sort of stuff but yes what great

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fun but the reason I'm discussing this

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as I was watching one the other night I

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like to do occasionally and when I

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haven't seen for many years in fact many

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years because there's a wonderful little

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piece in it where Sherlock Holmes is

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talking about being a skeptic now this

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isn't from an original Arthur Conan

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Doyle story but that's okay so what I'd

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like to do now is play a few minutes

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from the Scarlet claw 1944 starring

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basil Rathbones Sherlock Holmes Nigel

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Bruce is dr. Watson and in this clip

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you'll also hear

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Kevin are playing Lord pin rose Lord

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William Penn rose yes he's addressing a

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meeting of the Royal Canadian occult

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society and to quebec hotel gentlemen as

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your hope the greatest obstacle

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improving the authenticity of the occult

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lies in finding facts however if the

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facts are there even the most hardened

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skeptic providing it has an open mind

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must finally acknowledge the actual

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existence of supernatural you admit that

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mr. home facts always convincing Lord

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Penrose it's the conclusions drawn from

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facts that are frequent you never yes in

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the case of the hand of the Baskervilles

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as well as in the invention of the

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Sussex Empire we found the simply oh

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well gentlemen this time I have facts

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cold facts many years ago 100 to be

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exact an apparition appear at night in

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the village now called la mouche the

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following morning three people were

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found dead the throats torn out hence

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the town's rather grim name interesting

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ears but facts know how do you think the

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tales of superstitious peasants can be

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considered haven't finished mr. Holmes

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the Mirage is again being seen of these

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strange and unexplainable occurrences

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unexplainable that is from your point of

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view several of our most responsible

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citizens have actually seen the strange

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apparition on the marshes at night and

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next morning sheep were discovered their

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throats torn out and no traces of the

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killer anywhere to be found oh you read

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about it in the papers no as a matter of

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fact I haven't it was merely a deduction

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rather obvious one I'm afraid deductions

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are a weakness of mine has dr. Watson

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can tell you who would you believe it

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Holmes killed well those are facts mr.

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Holmes ignore them if you can I never

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ignore facts more terrorists I have no

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doubt that the incident of the sheep of

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their throats torn out is unquestionably

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effect however the interpretation of

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this fact has been final proof of the

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existence of the supernatural is Melissa

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position therefore cannot be accepted

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without further data your opinions mr.

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Holmes are undoubtedly there

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your inability to cope with something

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beyond the realm of your comprehension

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so on man I'm sorry John but this

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ridiculous skepticism I I'm afraid law

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I'm gonna write understandable sir john

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Lord Penrose is deeply entrenched in his

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beliefs that's his privilege I'll hang

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it on home two fellows positively rude

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well so we see a little overwrought

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Watson well what a great little clip

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that was from the Scarlet claw also

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known as Sherlock Holmes and the scarlet

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cloth from 1944 and don't you just love

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that name the Royal Canadian occult

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society again if you haven't seen those

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movies from 30s in the 40 starring basil

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Rathbones Sherlock Holmes and Nigel

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Bruce is dr. Watson you might want to

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check them out and maybe you'll get a

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lot of enjoyment as I have over the

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years and it's no surprise the character

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like Sherlock Holmes would be a strong

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hi this is Carrie papi i am ross Blocher

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okay Ross hey we're from a podcast

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called oh no Ross and Carrie we find out

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what happens when you show up and ask

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questions we've hung out with the

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Cabalists the Mormons we've gone and

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show up so you don't have to so find out

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where we're going next we'll even have

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special episodes where we have famous

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guests like Brian Dalton from mr. deity

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you heard that awesome theme music he

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wrote that you should come visit us at

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Oh No podcast.com or facebook.com slash

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on rack what the hell's honor a cross Oh

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in RAC Oh Oh No Ross and Carrie that's

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from the website of Australian skeptics

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skeptics kome you written by Tim mendham

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published on the thirtieth of June 2016

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chiropractor Floriani embroiled in fake

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gynecologist case Simon Floriani

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anti-vaccine chiropractor and former

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president of the chiropractor's

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Association of Australia has been named

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in court for referring one of his

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patients to a quote fake gynecologist

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end quote and as an aside and as

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listeners to the skeptic zone will be

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fully aware of i'm sure that many

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chiropractors not all of course but many

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chiropractors in this country at least

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seem to be anti-vaccination we read on

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the patient was one of several who were

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allegedly sexually assaulted by the

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self-professed IVF specialist rafael de

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pollo floriani pictured on the page by

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the way with his wife and

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anti-vaccination campaigner andrew

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wakefield was treating the woman for

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infertility despite this being outside a

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chiropractors area of competence and in

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breach of the chiropractic boards code

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of conduct and several warnings from the

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board

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after floriani had failed to help the

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woman fall pregnant by performing

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chiropractic quote adjustments men quote

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on her he referred her to die paleo a

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homeopath hmm who posed as a fertility

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expert according to a report in the Age

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newspaper d polio supposedly earned more

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than three hundred and forty-two

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thousand dollars between 2006 and 2015

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offering fertility treatments under the

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guise of being a medical practitioner

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and as another aside we often hear the

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term being bandied around healthcare

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professional which reminds me of this in

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this situation a lot of people with no

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qualifications or what we wouldn't call

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real qualifications still like to call

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themselves health care professionals we

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read on floriani and his chiropractor

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wife Jennifer Burnham floriani have a

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long history of anti-vaccination another

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non evidence-based activism they are

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regular presenters and attendees at the

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annual Californian Jam chiropractic

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event in the US appearing with other

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anti-vaccination activists such as

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Wakefield and sherry tympani in July

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2014 floriani and three other

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chiropractors at his vitality business

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were cautioned with having

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anti-vaccination paraphernalia in the

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Melbourne businesses waiting room

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another aside vitality business vitality

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reminds me of the word wellness we sort

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of call these words weasel words that

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means words that sound like they mean

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something that really don't vitality

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wellness another advertiser I know of

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uses the word zest take this pill to

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bring the zest back we read on in March

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2016 it was revealed that Floriani had

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sneaked into a Melbourne Hospital in

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2000 to treat a patient with a severe

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spinal injury floriani told the hospital

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that he was the patient's snowboard

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coach no wonder he had a spinal injury

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floriani facebook profile still features

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several videos in which he claimed

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to treat colic and other conditions in

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babies these conditions were recently

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cited by the chiropractic Board of

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Australia as breaches of advertising

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guidelines his activity has been

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referred to the border for action and

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thanks to professor Ken Harvey and

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bloggers reasonable Hank for the

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information for this article which you

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can read at www skeptics com au and as a

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last aside this reminds me of a

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conversation i had not so long ago with

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a friend of mine and a casual

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acquaintance who was not aware that

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chiropractic was more or less based in

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nonsense and non-scientific ideas non

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evidence-based we might say and it's

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very difficult for somebody who doesn't

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know that to accept that cold when you

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tell them and I can I can understand

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that many people people you know

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probably consider chiropractic to be a

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special form of medicine am a speciality

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so to speak so when you suggest to them

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it's not it's it well of course people

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get confused and it was put to me

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something that the skeptics here quite a

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lot which is called begging the question

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was put to me well if chiropractic

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doesn't work how come so many people are

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cured by it it's very hard to then

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unravel that especially when you're just

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having a chat to a friend it's difficult

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sometimes skeptics have a difficult job

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in explaining these things because

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there's a lot of unraveling to do and

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sometimes that doesn't go very far

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because people get defended or confused

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or they'll get short with you I've not

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yet found a eloquent way to convey all

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this stuff quickly maybe there's not

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maybe there's none it's also the same

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argument comes up with homeopathy if

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homeopathy doesn't work how come so many

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people get better by using it then you

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have to unravel that and explain begging

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the question but that doesn't get you

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very far sometimes and finally the same

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friend

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was not aware at all was simply not

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aware that when you buy a bottle of

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homeopathic pills or liquid there's

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pardoned the analogy or the pun that can

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be hard to swallow for a lot of people

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when you suggest to the motel than the

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homeopathic preparation does not have

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ingredients in it it's it's very

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confusing and a lot of people won't

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accept it when you say that because it

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sounds so ridiculous it can't possibly

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be true again it can't possibly be true

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because people get better by using it

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and they come back to begging the

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question not always easy my friends not

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always easy but thanks again to Tim

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mendham I professor can Harvey and

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reasonable Hank for putting that

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information together at skeptics calm

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day you Australian skeptics National

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Convention 2016 will be hosted in

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Melbourne at the university of melbourne

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from the 25th to the 27th of november

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with the annual dinner being held at

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of November early bird ticket sales are

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will include Lawrence Krauss Ed's odd

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Ernst Harriet Hall Michael Marshall

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Katie Mac and Mel Thompson with many

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more great speakers to be announced soon

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nicholas j johnson is our emcee for the

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annual dinner information about our

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speakers is available from the

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convention website so that's convention

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this is Lauren Cochran with an article

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from The Telegraph by Sarah naptin vets

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are calling for a ban on homeopathy for

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pets claiming animals cannot benefit

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from the placebo effect because they are

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unaware that they are being treated

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Danny chambers who teaches at the

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University of Edinburgh said that

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homeopathy has no basis in science and

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prevents the use of Orthodox remedies

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which can lead to an unnecessary

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suffering and even death more than a

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thousand vets have now signed a petition

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started by mr. chambers which calls on

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the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons

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to prohibit homeopathic treatments

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writing in New Scientist he said

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amazingly it is still offered and

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promoted by a small number of vets in

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the UK this is plain weird when you

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think about it animals do not experience

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a placebo effect because they are

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unaware that they are being treated vets

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who practice homeopathy should not be

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permitted to use their professional

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standing to promote its validity they

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should not be allowed to charge a fee

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for something that has been proven to be

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ineffective this line must be drawn

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after all no one would argue that vets

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should be permitted to offer crystal

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healing or psychic healing let's stop

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vets from prescribing homeopathic

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treatments sending a clear message that

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these are not endorsed by 21st century

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medicine supporters of homeopathy

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believe it can treat everything from

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depression to hay fever the theory being

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that substances that produce the

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symptoms of an ailment can cure it once

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they've been watered down many times to

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reduce their strength advocates of the

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practice claim the water retains a

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memory of the original substance the

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Prince of Wales recently announced that

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he uses homeopathy on his cattle but

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critics say the only benefits are in the

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mind with a Lancet study concluding that

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homeopathy was no more effective than

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the standard sugar pill given as a

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placebo in clinical trials in 2010 the

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Science and Technology Committee agreed

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that there was no evidence the drugs

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were any more effective than a placebo

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the chief medical officer Dame Sally

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Davies has also said that homeopathy is

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rubbish most NHS trusts no longer fund

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homeopathic treatments which do not

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include complimentary therapies such as

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acupuncture but there are at least 46

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practices across Britain which still

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offer treatment mr. chambers added the

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danger is not only

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due to the remedies being ineffective

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but the belief held by some homeopaths

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that such therapies can be a substitute

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for Orthodox treatment this is at best

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misleading and at worse may lead to

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unnecessary suffering or death

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substituting effective and appropriate

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treatment with homeopathy for serious

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diseases such as hyperthyroidism in a

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cat good result in a personal tragedy

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for the owner of a much-loved pet

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allowing a small minority of vets to

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continue prescribing homeopathic

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remedies adds legitimacy to a

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pseudoscience that may lead to belief

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that it is a genuinely effective

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medicine however a spokesman for the

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British Association of homeopathic

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veterinary surgeons said that people who

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opposed homeopathy had an axe to grind

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the Royal Society of Veterinary Surgeons

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has made it clear that homeopathic

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treatment is an acceptable type of

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therapy when practiced by trained vets

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you only have to look on our website and

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you will see examples of where dogs have

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been cured of cancer through homeopathy

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by and large people who oppose it just

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continuing on with homeopathy this story

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comes to us from medical daily at

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Medical daily.com alternative medicine

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homeopathy remedies no more effective

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than placebo sugar pills by lizette

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borreli every year during the flu or

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allergy season we see dozens of people

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lined up outside health stores looking

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for healing alternatives to traditional

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medicine despite homeopathy questionable

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reputation 3.3 million Americans have

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spent about 3 billion dollars on

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homeopathic remedies this begs the

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question could homeopathy hold the key

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to the future of medicine or is it just

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quackery in the latest reactions video a

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series by the american chemical society

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scientists have shown while homeopathy

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has been around for about 200 years

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science has progressed and gradually

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attempted to undermine the three

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foundations of this alternative medicine

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quote homeopathic medicines are based on

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a few theories of disease distinct from

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conventional medicine unquote according

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to reactions the most popular of these

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theories is like cures like the

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principle behind this belief is we can

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cure what ails us with the exact thing

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that ails us the idea is if something

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gives us a rash the same thing can be

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used to treat the rash German doctor

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Samuel Hahnemann who first coined the

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term homeopathy in 1807 believed when a

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substance in larger doses causes certain

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symptoms in small doses it can cure

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those same symptoms for example a

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homeopathic remedy for sleeping

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difficulty is coffee kruder very diluted

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amounts of unroasted coffee beans

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solution reducing and concentrating of

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something is the second principle of

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homeopathy Hanuman thought a sick person

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only needed a very small amount of an

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active ingredient to cure their ailments

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he

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used a dilution scale that increased by

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factors of 100 a scale denoted by the

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letter C the C is usually seen on a

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homeopathic label so typically when it

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comes to making coffee cooter put one

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drop in a vial containing a 9 drops of

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water then take a drop from that file

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and put it into another vial with 9

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drops of water 60 times however by the

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sixtieth vile we would have deluded your

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coffee so much that there isn't any left

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statistically speaking beyond the

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dilution of 13 C researchers have zero

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chance of finding a single molecule of

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the active ingredients in the vial

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however during his time the concept of

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atoms and molecules as fundamental units

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of matter wasn't really developed

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Hanuman didn't know we could dilute

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something until it's effectively gone

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lasting the third principle of

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homeopathy is water can somehow remember

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what has dissolved in it and passed the

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effects of those apps and molecules onto

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us however there has been no evidence

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for this phenomenon which goes against

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the principles of physical science in a

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2015 report from the Australian National

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Health and Medical Research Council

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researchers reviewed the results of

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about 200 studies on the effectiveness

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of homeopathy after looking at the

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evidence they concluded homeopathic

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remedies are no better than a sugar pill

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or a placebo the studies that did show

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the benefits of homeopathy had flawed

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methodologies further the United States

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National Institutes of Health states are

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several key concepts of homeopathy are

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inconsistent with the fundamental

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concepts of chemistry and physics there

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are significant challenges in carrying

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out rigorous clinical research on

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homeopathic remedies end quote it seems

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the idea to cure what ails us with

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whatever ails us isn't foolproof after

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all and that report comes to us from

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